Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser from Dublin, Dublin, Ireland (2024)

June 27, 1835

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a nee to ike ne Wangled and piebald doctrfaes of Lcshtr and I r' Murray 1 94 1 nu To 90 80 i quotes Alfx young if not THE London Wednesday our Consols for the Account closed at 91g of Ireland Wilfully grossly dishonest not a book that states so it is oiico propositions condemned by boule be of a modern or hast a probable opinion That pioposition was condemed 9R 99g 91 am AM AM A Esq Bridge street or Mrs Lawlor Shell Leinster street Mrs Sweetman Upper Mount street Mrs Duigenan Marlborough street Mrs Dromgoole Mount cashel Lodge Mrs Young Mquntjoy place Mrs Cuppinger Marlborough street Mrs Stiong Hussey Gardiner street Mrs Lewis Ibrc urt rest Mrs Powell Mrs Little street Mrs Donnell Merrion squaie Miss Kelly Lower Gardiner street HOURS 8 10 7 8 10 GENERAL POST June 2G MINUTES 0 15 Hence the accident of the se of Dens The first year no mention was made author whose order was followed in the Di The cleigy were thus put to inconvenience thiough several volumes followed consecutively in UH A 1 i Magdalen a SY LUM very persons who come forward and attempt to raise a ropery cry in England on the false plea that the Catholic church teaches and that Catholics believe the terrible doc trine that man has a right to put man to death on account of religious belief 1 Would it not be better for these people to look into their own hfearta and to purge themselves of the filth of intolerance before they set about the reformation of their neighbours? Surely they who have preached and prac tised persecution in its most ciuel form who enacted laws for the purpose of setting father against son brother against brother andchild against parent who set upon the head of the Catholic and of the savage brute the same price who made the profession of the Catholic tenets high treason and the education of Catholic ycuths a capital felony and who strained every nerve to prevent the abolition of these cruel unjust impolitic and pernicious laws they surely have no right no title to declaim against Catholics even if the latter maintained as fully as they reprobate the atrocious doctrine attributed to them by the reverend and calumnious mountebank to whom we have referred In the second place we deny on the part of the Catholics of Ireland every assertion put forth by Mr M'Ghee The Catholic church does not teach nor do the Catholc people believe the abominable doctrine that heretics no matter of what class Lutherans Calvinists can or ought to Uejput to death because of their nut professing their belief in the tenets of the church On the contrary the received doctrine of Catholics is that the power of the church is limited to ecclesiastical censure while the church denies to lay princes the right of interfering out of secular matters This the ranters saw in Dens itself vol 2 page 79 although their candour and religious zeal did not urge them to reveal the (act A further evidence of the tolerance of Catholics and of the malignant misi epresentation of their revilers is to be found in the same obscure woik which the fanatics have in their malevolence dug out of the grave of contempt and galvanised into a momentary animation In the second volume cage 8(5 we find the following passage The article treats Of Heresy in Particular and the author afterputting the question An dubius in fide est and after his peculiar fashion answering by distinctions goes on to say But if the doubt arises from ignorance of a mystery or from this circ*mstance that the individual doubts whether it has been revealed and proposed for belief by the church in that case the party will notbe aheretic" Here is a generous distinction of which St Augcstinf avails himself when be says as quoted by Den page 84 de Hare si in Particulari without being pertinacious I can indeed err but I cannot be a And Steyaert adds we give the Hac isyre (hercsi) generatim satis certo pronuntiari posse niultos tales etiam postquam ad usum ratioriis perveneramt adhuc txcuseri quia vel de fide Catho lics nil inaudiunt vel non sic ut ad discernenda illius fur dementa satis adhuc sint idonei Speciatim vero uliquid determinare valde est So far for the opinions pro pounded even in the work of Dens We now come to the personal part of the The swaddlers gave a challenge to the Catholic hierarchy eft Ire land to enter the lists wth them at a time and place fixed by the Tartuffes In the first place then we will say the challenge under an affectation of fair dealing was conceived in a spirit of dishonesty sufficient to blast the cause it meant to serve in the mind of any reasoning man even before all inquiry The Catholic hierarchy of Ireland and Doctor Murray Catholic Archbishop of Dublin in particular are cited at the bidding of some twenty individuals without authority to agfiar in a distant city in the midst of Protestants bigotted Protest ants to answer charges not specified but only described as involving crimes of the very highest crimes af fecting the lives liberty and property of their fellow sub jects and fellow Christians of the Protestant denomination Could any man or set of men be so insensible to the sen timents of self respect as to notice for a moment such charges until they should be specified? Did the challeng ers really expect that Dr Murray would actually go for ward to prove that he was not a murderer or a robber and that he did not abet these crimes or that he could expect to be repaid for the loss of time and money to be spent in a 1 journey to London by coming back convicted against bis will and feeling of being both one and the other? Ah 1 the knaves they knew well their challenge would not be accepted that their gauntlet will lie undisturbed in the sand of the arena If they really wished what they pretended I to give these dignitaries an opportunity of defence why not mention the grounds of the charge and afford ample time for preparing to meet it and that charge the abating of murder? No: truth was not their object but convic tion to take the accused by surprise was their means and they begun with a prayer the sanctified knaves I But why change the venue? why drag the accused to England? why try them before a jury composed of the alh ged objects the destined victims of Popish cruelty of the men for whose blood they were said to thirst of Protestants in flamed if they were but men by the vile imputation a packed jury too even of these? or to whom were tick ets given? To the fiiends of the accusers to their active avowed and bitter partisans 4be Kenyons the Mande vtlies the Shaws the Devonsheb Jacksons the Lefrovs the saints" that bate with a most perfect hate the ene mies of the And before such a jury gml such an audience the fanatics pretended to fancy the Catholic Bishops would expect an unbiassed impartial heating ami an honest verdict! They are not honest iue and 4(41 them so without fear of doing wrong But at length the 20th of June crimes and Exeter hall is besieged Oh I if Paddy were there what ft beauty laugh be would give at the lang sanctified visages as they passed in bear fake witness against their peighboyr unless indeed the sight of some of them should remind him of a father or a bi other or child murdered st the bidding of a parson in some tithe affray for 8d I Lord Kenyon gets pious turns up the whites of his eyes end call? aloud for a pfiycr An elaborate effusion of the spirit is nepprd "igly poured forth in which God is reminded that he prp inisid to preside ut the head of hie cJiurch and to be by his ivisdum an unci ring The Popish floctfjne of the ln i fallibility of the clmreh as wt are a tinner Well hue we I have i an infallible general council consisting of ministers of aU ihurches not of saintly lonk anJ saintlicj ladies genth men commoners and their wives all united in the spirit ttyprorounce on the Catholic Dishcpsqf Inland and Despatch of Irish Carriers at Delivery finished Arrival of London Mail Despatch of Carriers Delivery finished RANN BN Inspector of Letter Cat riers and tl ose chapters are selected as ftfr nibbing authoritative standard answers to the untrue grossly pa! pa oly viciously untrue We have the authority of our re verend and estimable friend' the author of the Directory for the Province of Leinster to state precisely how this matter stands The Bishops of each diocess and sometimes of a provice direct certain questions for the conferences of th a clergy every year These questions are notified inhe Direc tory for the Province of Leinster As in the discussion some order was necessary and as the clergy are obliged to revise the whoie body of theology in conferences it was deemed more convenient to take up a complete system such as Dens presented than to be passing from one tract Co another for De la Hogue the author of one of the May nootb class books wrote no moral treatises except the one on Penance and the other Maynooth class Dogmatic Theology is not to be had in this country On the other hand Collet is too voluminous and even rare and fournelli and other works which have really pretensions to authority are equally scarce iection of the rectory being obliged to rummage for the questions which Dens as it seldom or never occurs that any two theolo gians observe the same order in treating of their subjects 1 he next year the name was announced but the cause as signed by Mr M'Ghee for this selection of Dens is totally at variance with the truth That Dens was not intended to be a standard authority is evidenced by the very wording of 'he notification in the Directory tractatum If Deus were this infallible guide of wbieiJA'GitEE talks nalevolently there was an end of discussion of the very thing for which the conferences are held And that Densvas not intended to supply the answers will be at once un lerstood from the following fact to the accuracy of which we pledge ourselves upon unquestionable authorities In the jear 1831 at a public conference of all the secular cleigy ufhis city held at the Presbyteiy Lower Exchange street a clergyman of great respectability asked the compiler of tho rectory why he bad selected that obsolete and exploded theologian Dens for a conference mid added jocu arly that he supposed it was for the purpose uf assisting Mr Coyne in the sale of his newly published The Archbishop (Dr MURRAY) who was present forthwith in terposed and desired it to be distinctly understood that Dens wtts by no means made a class book fui the conferences that they were meiely to follow his order in discussing the questions and that the answers were to be taken from any books the clergy to These facts will we suppose silence further calumny extinguish the slanders al ready blazing through the country ami we think strip Mr of his assumed infallibility even to the conviction I of the Taituffes But says Mr the book mark the word the hook that asserts the authority of Dens and the unanimous approbation of the Prelates is itself the most authoritative book in the church statement 1 It is more Mr own advertisem*nt and has no more to do with the Directory than the advertisem*nts appended to History of Ireland or any volume uf Encyclupwdia have to do with such volume As well might thepuffs of the silversmiths and vestment makers found in the same tie held as binding the Catholic Prelates to an approval of their several ai merchandise 1 The thing is nut only bare CHARLATANR1E Our first impression on reading the report published by the Orange press of this city of the antics of ths prime moun tebanks Robert Mortimer (the ex Catholic) and Cooke (the Presbyterian) at the new menageiie of Exeter Hall wasta treat the affair with con tempt And this first feeling we would obey were the ca hinmies the gross and scandalous misrepresentations the fiagitious assertions the infamous libels of the strolling ven ders of wholesale slander to circulate in Ireland alone where the characters of the individuals are known and where there are millions of living witnesses against them But not onlj will the false statements spread over England where igno rance and prejudice will probably procure them credence hut they Lave been made in England for the foul purpose o' deception and with the hope or assurance that the contra dictions should any be put forth would either never be seen or if seen would not such is the force of early impres sion be credited no matter how cogent how precise or how complete Therefore it is that we condescend to no tice the proceedings emblazoned with so much pomposity by the 3 full Our answer then to the spouters at Exeter Hall will be two fold irst admitting for argument sake we deny in point of fact all the assertions of Mr who alone spoke with any semblance of pertinence allowing for a moment that all his propositions are as true as they have been confidently announced and complacently adopted conceding for the nonce that it is the doctrine of the Catholic church adopted by the Catholics of lieland that Protestants being formal heretics are punishable with excommunication irregularity incapa city to hold benefices or any public offices deprivation of be nefice or dignity deprivation of spiritual jurisdiction denial of Christian burial confiscation of goods and co) poral punish ment such us exile incarceration and death granting all this to Mr Loid Kenyon arid the rest of the fa natics let us ask arc they in a condition to act use Catholics of any offence in holding such doctrine? If Catholics be lieve on the authority of their church that Protestants are heretics and lhat heretics may rightly and lawfully im prisoned exiled and hanged because they arc heretic have not Protestants these hcrWa of the these abetters of Um tight of private judgment denounced C'atbo plics as and 8' tually imara rated exiled racked tortured hanged and "burned them in hundreds of thousands in Gnat Britain and Ireland? 1f Catholics believe ciiH Pro Tcstante ns bet tics may be deprived of property liberty and should they refuse to conform to Catholic doctrine and discipline Lave not actually enacted laws Mi bloodily enforced them confiscating Cathode property imprisoning exiling and slaying Catholic persons in erder to compel these Catholics to piofcas a conform l4 as Specially interested in the Th fathers gravely sit Lord Kenyon presiding when upstart? the Rev Robert M'Ghee notorious for his long (rider polemical letters against the Papists which no one coulc bear to read and for the insertion of which in the news papers he bad to submit to their exhibition as advertise ments No doubt the trunk and shop? will be ransacked henceforth and the discovery of the lost treasure be celebrated as more fortunate than that of the Pandects The mountain heaves the labour of parturition commen eg when lo 1 to the inexpressible joy and content of the holy matrons then and there assembled Master Robert M'Ghee after severe travail is delivered of his lridiculus mus The first limb of the precious feetus that appears is in the shape of a resolution declaring that Theology is the authoiitative standard (these are thi words of the aforesaid Robert) set up by the Bishops cj Ireland as a guide to be consulted in all cases where acces to libraries is not convenient or the Bishops themselves cannot be consulted and this for the last 27 On what authority is all this shown? On the authority of a puff to get off his wares! I Just that and no more The publisher do doubt mentions an unanimous re solution that was the best work on the subject We believe it The publisher does not give the words of that resolution but his own (honest it may be) conception of its meaning Had the words been as strong a recommendation of the work as he lias described it would' at once have seen the obvious advantage of giving tin ipsissima verba of the Prelates This omission is a strong presumptive evidence that if the resolution existed ever th Pielates did not resolve so unqualified an approval of th work as the publisher puts forth And had they so resolvei they said that it was the best work on the they had resolved that which would have met with vei 1 general dissent among their clergy But we challenge then to the proof that the Bishops of Ireland ever passed sucTi resolution Let them name the chairman of the meeting mover or seconder of the resolution According to tbei shewing the Bishops passed the resolution unanimously Now the four Archbishopsand seven of the suffragans weie and are by act of Parliament members of the Board of May nooth College If this book of Dens seemed to them deserve the unqualified eulogy bestowed upon it by the pub lisher is it soft strange that they in 1808 the perioc of the alleged resolution commissioned the late Dr De La Hogue to publish his tract on rebgiou and five years later his other four tracts? And why in 1815 did these four Archbishops' and seven shops Doctor Murray included direct the republication of Moral Theology for the use of the students at May nooth if were in their opinion that pi emineiit authority which Mr would make it The price of Bailly and De la Hogue is 31 10s that of Dens only 2 2a If the latter were deemed a standard why was it the cheaper woik passed over and the dearer books preferied itzpatrick not Coyne then the publjbhgr to Maynooth College and to the Catholic Bishojs if they Lad any at the time yet he while publishing Dei on his own account was also employed in publishing De la Hogue on the account of the Maynooth Board IIcw does this square with the flippant assertion of Mr M'Ghee and the impudent resolution of the saintly menagerie? Mr M'Giu says that this book was set in 1831 as the confe rence book for thq Roman Catholic priests of Ireland'' He makes this assertion on his own authority or on report If on the former then has he asserted a gross and a deliberate falsehood' for the book is not a conference book out of the province of Dublin Armagh Cashel and Tuam report then we mpst charge him with an offence little less criminal than wilful untruth namely the reckless and care less propagation of false rumour without taking pains to come ut the truth although the trouble of ascertainii the fact would be very trivial He next says that a new edition (of Dens) was ordered'' in 1832' This is another liat un truth urther on Mr M'Ghee If lean also show that the questions proposed at the private conferences of the Roman Catholic priests printed the most authoritatiie documents signed by the Roman Catholic hierarchy of Ireland tor five years Tiaipely for the years 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 are taken consecutively from this book and correspond with the consecutive chap ters in if I can show these different points then I think 1 shall have satisfactorily established the fact that this book has been set up as the standaid authority and guide ol the Roman Catholic priests of Ireland from the yjtar 180b down to the year I have nciw to mention what the book is upon the au thority of which I make this statement Thi? is 1 may say the most authoritative book in the Roman Catholic church of Ireland The are obliged under the penalty of what they call mortal sin to repeat rtain exercises every day which they' call offices 4 hese are taken from the Bre viaiy from Missal and from parts of Sciipture which 1 know' pot but every year there is published a Directory under the authority of the Roman Catholic Archbishop ol Dublin in which th se offices are presciibed for every day in the year Tliwfore before the fii st of January every Jtodian Catholic Ifriest in Ireland must have this book and he must have it in his hands every day of the year to direct him It is called the Directory The reader will please to remark the passages in italics for every one of these contains the assertion of a gross un truth irst the Directory is palled the most authorita tive book in the Roman Catholic church of It is notabook of any autboiity 1 It ia a mere almanack toguide the Priest in the reading of his office and the saying of mass Neither is it signed by the Catholic Hierarchy of or by any prelate or priest save the cc'mpijer Equally untrue is the other flippant assertion oj Mr that before the first of January every Roman Catholic priest in Ireland must have this book" No Catholic priest need have it except a priest uf the province of theCatliolie cler gy of the otler directories published by some of their owir members or instance the Rev Mr Bourke compiles the Directory for the clergy of Connaught so that it is most likely that the priests of that province never before heard of Denser of his 4 bomist and schoolmen pragmatisms But why is Directory invested tvith so much authority by Mr purpose of giving pp nii pf i henticity to the publishers panegyric upon his wares that point however we will conic shortly At present il) fyllow the rcv ipmmtebHiik tliiough bis nsrfiuns He says It is sufficient for me to state that the conseutix'eques lions of eevc jar the five years Inmi 1830 to 1835 are taken front the consecutive vhuyLrs in Dr ns mid those chapters are mlechd uh furnishing finJhpritatiye standuid uusn'ers (u the questions" (hear hear hear) The makes aludicrous tumble and the rqivps who looked on ffp filled with the (anat'ic uticitd a gitious falsehood mid the pious saints crid hear 4 lip consecutive questions of conference (for the province of Leinster) fur the five years frpm 1830 ty 1835 arc taken fjotq the couscpuliYe chapters in tius and is not heard of in the provinces of facedjy dishorn st but it would be ridiculously so were not ana it vir aruHEE speaa on tne malice tnat nictated Lt more calculated to excite imiigna tion than any other feeling 4 he Bishops have never ordered their clergy to be provided with the work eme of the answers found in it could not be received such as those that allege the Belgian laws But if the woik must be forced on the clergy of Ireland whether they will or no in a wyrd the calumniators of the Catholic clergy will have that book to be the mithoi itative standard why be it so Turn to page 6 vol 1st 4'o the question of what authority is the opinion uf scolaslics (such as Dens him self) what is the answer 4'bat the unanimous opinion of scolasiics makes said what an article of faith No such only the morally unanimous com ent of the Bishops of the universal church can establish an article of blit makes it: nioraly certain and where the opinion is that of one or more sath wiittrs it is pre cisely of that weight and no more which the reasons on a hicli it rests give it and in proof the author the 37th among the AtPER VII If a author it makes at condemned by Rome by the pontiff showing that the opinion of a theologian is of no greater value than his reasons or his character for talents and judgment tnake iu There is not a single work on theology among the thousands that Lave been written to all the propositions in hich any Catholic lay or ecclesias tical would subscribe or bind himself to subscribe and indeed why should they when even the reasoning uf ge neral councils even on articles of faith thyuli entitled to lespcct are not binding on the consciences of Catholics What a farce then when arter the packed assembly of old ladies of either gender voted in obedience to the Rev Ro bert M'Gni 'g that all the principles in Dens wei are and ever shall be the principles of the Catholic church of Ire land how ridiculous we say to find the said Robert con gratulating the old ladies on having decided upon a question which has baffled all the taints of all the statesmen mid all the theologians of the empire from time immemorial De cided hat Mr Pin could not get decided decided a point which their senators argued andre argucd duringall the time that the Catholic question as discuss in Parliament I Veiilya Danili comes to judgment I Pope and general councils may hide their diminished beads alter the intallible decrees of Exeter Hull under the guidance bu it Jtiniiu beid of thespiiitof Robert AAIR HONOUR A took place yesterday morning between James ILqre Esq chuirmun of the commission now sitting on the Dublin election petition and Murphy Esq agent the sitting members in consequence of an offensive ob servation unide to Mr Murphy by the chairman parties met OU tbe North Bull at four o'clock yester day morning ami shuts having been exchanged Mr friend inquired if Mr Murphy was ratistied to which Mr Murphy's friend replied in the negative ami a second fire en sued upon which Mr Hnirq was walked off the giounil by his fiiend Mr Murphy keeping Lis position and bis second 1 1 1 a ii ig lie was not satisfied 'J bus the affair tenuinated Mr Matiiuwsthc Comi ihan This gentleman though still pxtiemely ill lias eniijyed sviije occasional allex iatiun during the last few days and has been enabled to move from the bouse of his fiiend ranklin Esq of Stonchonse into Plymouth where he now remains under the medics! care of Sir George Magrath and Harris Esq nser'? Bxiter (ratette if Saturday tiHli Al DbbllfS 15AK 1111 DAY Morning I Ih 4Gm Afternoon 12h Om THE PUBLICATION Of THE JOURNAL COMMENCED YESTERDAY AT IVE AND INISHED AT EIGHT COUNTY DUBLIN VTT of George John Murphy 1 ije lk i rori Pearson Biggs and others A Six Month subject Calvin which make up the sum of Ghurcb of Engiandiam against 5 to redemption all that If Catholics and they do not the sanguinary and The Casual Ejector those the spurious canon of the 4th Council of Lateran have not in PIHPPSBORODGH LANE with the Appurtenances i Pestants while uoggedly maintaining the pnnople of lately occupied by the Representatives of Andrew private judgment matters spiritual enacted the brutal M'Muuen i penal Yet' these individuals who to this hour Application to be made to John Hinds Plaintiffs Attor approve of barbarous and bloody code and ho resisted 190 Great Britain sfreet 1 T77T i withall their might its annulment or abrogation are the 111 m' a i 17 A A ii Al 1 i 1 IS Ku 1 OAUU OR THE BENEIT THE ORTY OUR PENITENTS WHICH was postponed in consequence of the wetness of the weather and the Review in the Park will be RE OPENED on MONDAY 29th and TUESDAY 30th Instant under the patronage of their Excellencies the Lord Lieutenant and Countess of Mulcbave and the following Governesses Countess of Howth Baroness De Robeck Merridh sqiiare Lady Elizabeth Borough do Lady Hellew Eccles street Mrs O'Connell Merrion square Mrs Evans Portrane Mrs arrell Great street Mrs itzsimon Ballinamona Houe Mr Vcrchoyle Mcrrion square Mrs Baggot Castle Baggot Hon Mrs Gonville frencb place Mrs Costigan Ely place Sirs Mooney Kilmacud Hoose Donnell Lower Gar dinet street Mrs Rutland Lower Mount stiect 4'reai Sylvester Young Mountiov iilace As un additiunal inducement for a numerous attendance on the above days will be exhibited in the Round room of ihe Rotunda the deservedly celebrated painting of the Lord's tfupper alter Leonardo Du Vinci by Signior abroni which was open for the inspection of the lovers of the tine arts a few mouths ago at Del may not be amiss to observe for the gratification of the cognoscenti that the original sketch by the artist which was taken 20 years ago at Mlan will accompany the painting PRICES IRISH STOCKS ON YESTERDAY per Cent Stock Government Stock New) Deb (of £92 Gs 2d) Bank Stock Royal Canal Stock Grand Canal Debentures 6 per cent 4 per cent Deb reduced to 21 13s 4d 4 per cent City Debentures (of £92 6s 2d) Hibernian Batik Kingstown Railway DUBLIN SATURDAY JUNE 27 1835 7 OREIGN NEWS We have received the Paris papers of Monday A tele graphic despatch sent from Bayonne the day before com umuicates the intelligence that the 19th at nine in the evening Bilboa still defended itself The firing of the Cariists continued ft is said that Valdez was coming to the relief of the A letter from Bilboa dated the 1 4th inst in the evening is published by the Sentinella des Pyrenees containing th fallowing passage General Valdez has entered Bilboa he will immediately leurs to return to Lis line of.

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